Iran hangs 16 year old girl because of her sharp tongue.

mdoneil writes "I guess Iran's Constitution differs slightly from that of the USA. A young woman was executed for what she said. The article here


I guess I'll cross Iran off of my vaction plans list.

An interesting side note is that the above page has a blurb about "France steps up its investments in Iran". That article is here. Yipee lets here it for France! Lets all pitch in and help developing nations!"

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Re:So who is Iran Focus, anyway?

Crap another one of those typographical errors, and I proofread this one. NOW InterFax is....


Can't blame me for this one blame the Jamie.

Re: interesting side note

By the way, where were the Irish during World War II?

Re:Execution Disgusting / Don't Single out France

Apples and oranges, to use an old American folksaying. Using "Dred Scott" is a tedious canard. You may want to try for something a little better...perhaps even "precious".

Re: interesting side note

Kinda like Spain and Portugal. They were ummmm neutral. ;)

Re:Execution Disgusting / Don't Single out France

Prattle.

Re:Execution Disgusting / Don't Single out France

"Gee, you think maybe military misadventurism and the mass murder of 11 to 15 thousand civilians -- and all that based on a tissue of lie -- somehow strikes us as not necessarily the best response? I mean, I've only been harping on that everytime you intimate that you have some kind of divine right to kill anybody who gets in your way. "

You keep mentioning the mass murder Fang. Step up and stop us.

Re:Execution Disgusting / Don't Single out France

Fruit prattle.

More "tedious" analogies if interested.

Re:Execution Disgusting / Don't Single out France

I read your "analogies" and give you my award for truth-in-advertising. You're absolutely correct. Not only is your analogy tedious, it's "prattle". I know I can always count on you.

"A Pro-Life Atheist Civil Libertarian"

written by Nat Hentoff
Free Inquiry, Fall2001 pg. 16

Sorry Fang, you will need to find one of those nasty Lexis-Nexis type thingies to read this piece written by one of your civil libertarian brethren. You are fan of Mr Hentoff I assume??

And Makhno, do feel free illustrate Mr Hentoff's penchant for reasoning with canards here.

Re:Execution Disgusting / Don't Single out France

It's nice to be needed.

Prattle and folk sayings (two words I believe) notwithstanding.

Re:"A Pro-Life Atheist Civil Libertarian"

There's no need for me to illustrate. I've known of Mr.Hentoff since the time when he was primarily known as a (superb) jazz critic. Just as I would disagree with him from time to time regarding music, I disagree with him regarding this. Considering some of your past posts, I realize you weren't looking for an analogy at all. You just like to toss around a racist word or two for shock effect and THAT is tedious.

Re:Execution Disgusting / Don't Single out France

Indeed you are needed. In fact, if you didn't exist, I would have to invent you.

Re: interesting side note

Yes, and by the standards of today, all three could be considered "terrorist states", since all three provided resources to the original Axis.

Re:"A Pro-Life Atheist Civil Libertarian"

You just like to toss around a racist word or two for shock effect and THAT is tedious.

Ehhh?? I did post one word, nigger, but obviously the subtlety of the context was lost on you.

Take a break.

Re:"A Pro-Life Atheist Civil Libertarian"

No, the subtlety was not lost because there wasn't any subtlety. You seem nervous.

Re:"A Pro-Life Atheist Civil Libertarian"

Keen observation.

Perhaps it's the combination of caffeine and your deft wit.

Re:Execution Disgusting / Don't Single out France

You keep mentioning the mass murder Fang. Step up and stop us.

To stop you we would have to engage in your brand of military misadverturism; a philosophy to which we are opposed. Although I would allow that the U.S. -- and it's government in particular -- would be vastly improved with the appropriate surgical strikes.

When hunting monsters, one must take care not to become the monster. --Nietzsche

By the way, I consider your bragodoccio to be another example of the Arrogance of Power upon which U.S. culture is founded. You have no idea how such a statement can come across to someone who writes creative fiction and who is sensitive to "voice". It sounds to me very much like the sneering challenge of a swaggering bully.

Re:"A Pro-Life Atheist Civil Libertarian"

Always glad to be of help to you, Tomeboy, in your continuing odyssey.

Re:Execution Disgusting / Don't Single out France

"When hunting monsters, one must take care not to become the monster. --Nietzsche "

The point here Fang is that Canada is not 'hunting' at all. To complain about something you truly believe to be horrific and then to do nothing is asinine. You talk about arrogance of power, but if that were true we wouldn't have bothered with 14 U.N. resolutions and Congressional approval. How about the Arrogance of Intellect, those who think they are so much smarter then everyone else but choose not to offer alternatives or to get their hands dirty implementing those alternatives?

As for the whole 'sensitive' speech? You call yourself Fang Face and I'm supposed to treat you sensitively? Poor Fang.

Group hug for Fang!

Re:Execution Disgusting / Don't Single out France

"No, the point here is that we will not kiss your self-righteous, blood-lusting ass"

Again Fang, and again and yet again if we're so bad, so horrible, do something to stop us. Even if you don't have the military to stop us ask the UN to sanction us. Stop trading with us. Do all those things 'the world' wants to do when dealing with dictators. If these 'alternatives' are so effective then by all means, use them against us.

More Homework Fang

Then ask yourself how society is going to deal with those 800,000 indigents who will be acculturated, living in squalor, and a number of whom will turn to crime, drugs, and domestic violence as a way of venting their frustration and impotence, twenty-years from now. By which time they will be producing the next generation of welfare bums.

While your checking out the Hentoff article, free your mind and take a peek at this;

"Patterns in the Socioeconomic Characteristics of Women Obtaining Abortions in 2000-2001" Perspectives on Sexual & Reproductive Health Sep/Oct2002, pg 226.

Re:Economics of Abortion

You make a good point regarding the economics, however far more telling is your concern about "Africans and middle-easterners". What next? "The Dusky Menace"?

Perhaps just my nerves, but I think your fixation on race parsing would be better served by handwritten Post-Its to yourself.

Re:Economics of Abortion

You're absolutely correct. It's your nerves. As for my "fixation", I am confronted with the burning social issue of race in America on a daily basis and reminded that loved ones are in danger. "Post-it"s would merely add to clutter. But thanks for the thought.

Re:Economics of Abortion

I take offense to your choice of the word "burning" to describe this issue.

Oblige me with just two small Post-its , "Lynch" and "Crematorium".

Re:Economics of Abortion

For some reason, I believe your being offended is more than a little contrived, but I'll be sure to be more...sensitive...when replying to you. I'm sure you'll reciprocate. I do hope that you and I are in agreement that young girls being executed for merely speaking is inhumane, no matter what race, color, or creed.

Re:Economics of Abortion

I do hope that you and I are in agreement that young girls being executed for merely speaking is inhumane, no matter what race, color, or creed.

Absolutely.

Now what do you say we extend our agreement to the in utero girls with voices yet to be heard? No matter what race, color or creed.

Re:Economics of Abortion

Tomeboy, regarding abortion: because of Nat Hentoff's arguments, I have for some time been examining my own beliefs regarding that issue. So for now, our mutual agreement is being considered. Fair enough? And, for now, I'll give you the benefit of a doubt regarding racism.

Re:More Homework Fang

Patterns in the Socioeconomic Characteristics of Women Obtaining Abortions

Really, Tomeboy, you have to start actually reading the things you look up. That article only supports my contention that abortion provides an avenue out of the poverty trap. If it doesn't, then you'll have to cite which parts you think support your position. But for Chris' sakes don't expect me to do your homework for you and come up with answers you're going to like.

Re:Economics of Abortion

Now what do you say we extend our agreement to the in utero girls with voices yet to be heard?

Makhno might, but I wouldn't, because those in utero children already have people speaking for them that the Republican National Guard and the ultra-conservative slavers are silencing. These are the voices that advocate birth control so that unwanted pregnancies do not occur in the first place. These voices are forbidden to promote any program that would make abortion unnecessary. It is the ultra-conservatives themselves that are creating conditions in which abortion rates will rise. A very pretty vicious circle. Really puts the polish to the term: dogmatic.

The answer to abortion is to come up with a form of birth control that is as close to 100% reliable as humans can make it, and then make sure everybody knows about it and has access to it. The ultra-conservatives won't allow that, and then they'll turn around and won't allow abortion, and both of these stemming from the blind and wilfull ignorance of the fact that Abstinence-only is pitifully ineffective.

Re:Economics of Abortion

Alas, Fang...I said I was considering it. This is because I do take Nat Hentoff seriously. I am curious how Tomeboy feels about Hentoff's views regarding John Ashcroft. Mr.Ashcroft, though not advocating the executions of young women who have sharp tongues, has political and theological views which would give the late Khomeni pause.

Fang does make a good point regarding birth control. Every time "pro-life" activists (yes, Tomeboy! I know! A loaded word, "activists"!) introduce legislation in my state to limit abortions, there are usually additional amendments to limit birth control (and sometimes an extra or two, such as a flag protection clause or having English as the official state language). This kind of thing does not serve "pro-life" advocacy well.

Re:More Homework Fang

Don’t blame Jesus Christ for your words Fang.

You said Then ask yourself how society is going to deal with those 800,000 indigents who will be acculturated, living in squalor, and a number of whom will turn to crime, drugs, and domestic violence as a way of venting their frustration and impotence, twenty-years from now.

You didn’t say 80,000, 8000, 800, 80 or 8. Your number was 800,000, thus implying ALL aborted children deserve to die because they come from welfare sucking mothers.

Among other things here’s what the article says:

  • Increased efforts are needed to help both adolescent women and adult women of all economic statuses avoid unintended pregnancies.
  • About one-quarter of women obtaining an abortion were covered by Medicare. (Not 100%)
  • In 2000, only 13% of white mothers who had an abortion were at the federal (US) poverty level, 49% for black mothers and 33% for Hispanic mothers. (Again, not close to 100%).

    So now that I have established that not all 800,000 aborted children will become parasites of the state, your cost/benefit formula needs revisiting. Because vagaries are the tools of the lazy man's logic, perhaps you would care to put a price tag on those children better off dead? A hard number Fang.

    Feel free to ask for Christ’s help with this.

  • Re:Economics of Abortion

    The answer to abortion is to come up with a form of birth control that is as close to 100% reliable as humans can make it, and then make sure everybody knows about it and has access to it.

    Free birth control is a plentiful as free condoms. Planned Parenthood gives this stuff out like SweetHearts at Halloween.(we all know what is 100% effective but that would carry the unrealistic expectation of discipline and self-respect for all those poor mothers.) As for your panacea, the Pill has a 99.5% effectiviness rate. Of course this assumes the tablets are actually swallowed on a daily basis.

    Regarding education, you have got to be kidding. Most middle-schoolers think of wallets rather than warfare when discussing Trojans.

    Point your finger at someone else. This knee-jerk reactionary isn't making reminder calls or unrolling rubbers for the irresponsible.

    Re:More Homework Fang

    Ah, yes, I see. The old, "time to fall back on absolutism" tactic to twist his arguments around, and never mind crafting a well reasoned argument by correcting the context.

    Really, Tomeboy, you only shoot yourself in the foot when you do this sort of thing.

    In any event, you did not formulate any argument using the article as a source, you simply cited the title. Hence: you refuted exactly nothing.

    Re:More Homework Fang

    I beg to disagree and submit your Maxwell Smart reasoning and failure to put a price on those thousands of aborted children from non-poor mothers.

    Perhaps a hole in your foot would make backpedaling a little more difficult?

    Re:More Homework Fang

    What you have failed to do is put the social cost to the 600,000 abortions among the poverty stricken you would forbid them to have. You have also failed to show how fetuses equate with fully developed human beings. The sticking point for Roe v: Wade, I believe.

    As to the 200,000 non-poor, I imagine a number of those were aborted by professional women who would have been plunged into financial straits by having to quit their jobs.

    As for the rest, it still comes down to a matter of personal choice whether you agree those choices or not. It's not your life, so it's none of your business.

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