Senate Vote Signals That Patriot Act Will Be Renewed

The Senate brushed aside an attempt to block renewal of the antiterrorism law known as the USA Patriot Act today, voting 96 to 3 against changes urged by Senator Russell D. Feingold, the act's most persistent critic.
The House has already voted to renew the Patriot Act. But the law met stiff resistance from some senators of both parties. Modifications to the statute in recent weeks have satisfied the overwhelming majority of the senators.

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History will honor the heroes

Years from now, Senators Russell Feingold, Robert C. Byrd, James M. Jeffords, will be recognized by all who love freedom for the heroes they are.God bless them all for recognizing that freedom is a higher value than possible, but temporary safety, and that the threats to the United States today pale besides the constant threat of instant nuclear annihalation we faced during the Cold War. And for recognizing the Constitution itself was ratified during a period where our country faced many threats to its very existance. And for saying no to excessive secrecy by refusing to uphold a lack of public statistical reporting on the use of USAPA powers.Feingold in 08. (subject to revision)

Sure

Feingold loves freedom so much that he inflicted that freedom upon us in the form of campaign finance reform - a clear violation of the First Amendment.

Robert Byrd loves freedom so much that it overshadows the fact that he was in the KKK in the 1940's. What a forgiving world we live in where a U.S. Senator in the "World's Greatest Deliberative Body" is given a pass for once being a member of the KKK. It reminds me of the movie "King Pin" where Bill Murray's character (Ernie McCracken) wins the bowling tournament at the end of the movie and when he is swarmed by the adoring fans and media, he says "Finally, Big Earn is above the law! It's a great feeling!" Well, freedom loving Robert Byrd is above the moral law to some. Just to cut you off, Strom Thurmond was a creep.

Jeffords! Is he still alive?

Funny, where was the Lion of Chappaquiddick on this one? Where was Pat Leahy on this one? Was he at one of his often-mentioned Quaker knitting group in the Green Mountain state? What about Narcissus Biden (D-MBNA)?

Character attacks don't convince

If you want to convince people of the rightness of your cause, you should move beyond character attacks. Human beings are flawed and there is no one alive who does either only good or only evil. Bringing up past evil doesn't cover current righteousness any more than bringing up past righteousness covers up current evil.Money isn't speech. If you're truly concerned about speech, then perhaps you should consider support the rights of antiwar groups to buy airtime. They have the money, but the networks won't take their ads. That's trouble no politician ever gets.Who do you like in 08? And is there any measure the government could take against citizens that you would regard as going too far? Are there some measures that you would trust Republicans with that you wouldn't want Democrats to use? Which ones?

Re:Character attacks don't convince

There are various forms of speech: political, artistic & commercial. Political speech is afforded the highest protection and commercial the lowest (although it is afforded some 1st Amendment protections). Contributing to a political campaign is the highest form of speech because it is political speech. I also believe flag burning is speech, even though it is action. How you spend your money on a political campaign is speech. Unfortunately, the U.S. Supreme Court has thus far upheld certain parts of McCain Feingold; however, the Supreme Court has been wrong before (Korematsu, Plessy v. Ferguson, etc...). What makes you think I don't support the right to speech?

Bringing up past evil doesn't cover current righteousness any more than bringing up past righteousness covers up current evil.

Spare me. I've read some of your previous posts and you seem quite selective in applying that bit of wisdom. Remember, you are the one throwing around terms like "hero". Past actions are relevant, that is why rational people don't let known sex offenders babysit their children.

I really don't like either party but I really don't trust the Democrats because they have so few adults. They have become the party of the smelly nutjob left that is so blind in its hatred of Bush (I mean Chimpy McHalliburtonHilter): for heaven's sake Howard Dean is the DNC Chariman.

So it is okay to be a former member of the KKK? I guess that is better than being a current member of the KKK. Call me a dreamer but anyone I consider a hero would never have member of the KKK, then again perhaps my standards are unrealistically too high for some on LISNews.

Re:Character attacks don't convince

Money isn't speech. If you're truly concerned about speech, then perhaps you should consider support the rights of antiwar groups to buy airtime. They have the money, but the networks won't take their ads.

Your first sentence claims that money isn't speech. You second and third sentences then say money is speech. Which is it?

"Heroes" is the appropriate label here

"Remember, you are the one throwing around terms like "hero"""Heroes" is an appropriate term for people who take a stand for liberty against fear and are proud to associate their names with their cause.

Re:"Heroes" is the appropriate label here

You've cheapened the term hero when you apply it to Robert Byrd.

Talk about grade inflation.

Re:Sure

We love Quakers here in Philadelphia - so should anyone who loves American history and tradition; even those of us who aren't religious. They do so much to help people - especially for those people denigrated by modern Pharisees who forget Jesus’ example of washing feet.Isn't that just like a conservative - convenient convictions - love religious values influencing government - until it doesn't produce the results they want. And just like the other "keyboard commandos" - too cowardly to put an identifier on their sputum.There is a silver lining - I plan to make a killing on duct tape futures.

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