Church Hate Group Losers in My Town

This past weekend, our community had a visit from members of the Kansas-based Westboro Baptist Church, who came to picket in front of the Electrolux building and a handful of local churches. Why? Because Electrolux is based in Sweden where same-sex marriages are recognized by the government. (Uh, yeah...vaccum cleaner companies have great influence over their home countries' social policies). And because most Christian churches "enable" homosexuality by teaching that God loves everyone. Lest you think these folks are the garden variety anti-gay group, don't. On their website, they have a count announcing the days that Matthew Shepard has been in hell since his brutal murder several years ago, and the url of their website is www.godhatesfags.com. While there were a few confrontations with them, our community responded with tremendous grace and restraint. One form of silent count-protest used was to carry open umbrellas to use as a shield for blocking the message. There were some random drive-by tomato throwings, and a couple in-your-face incidents, but still, I'd say that shows remarkable restraint, given the virulency of the message. The security guard at our library, himself a conservative baptist preacher, was appalled with church's activities and preached about love Sunday.

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Question for Tomeboy

I'm still wondering about the "activist" tag. An activist is someone or a group of someones who uses direct action to oppose or support a cause. NRA is an activist group, Right-to-Life is an activist group. In fact, a google search comes up with about 9300 hits for the phrase "liberal activists" and 10,900 for "conservative activists" (with similar results if you make it singular). I'm really not trying to be a stinker here, I'm just trying to understand. Did you think that I was tyring to marginalize this particular group by not calling them activists?

Re:What Rochelle Said.

One of the best resources to combat these "godhatesfags" group is John Rankin's site.
This guy reasons/debates well with homosexual activists (yes... there's that term again), but also has debated the Phelps clan.

See more here: (homosexuals) or here: (Phelps)

What Rochelle Said.

Someone needs to tell them to protest Ikea, or a Volvo/Saab dealership instead of Electrolux if they hate Sweden so much. And why drive here all the way from Kansas? So weird...

Lets see...

I'm opposed to killing people, so the Matthew Shepard killing was a sin.


Now as a Catholic I find that homosexual behavior is disordered and sinful.


However I would assume that God's top 10 list is more important than the other things he asked us to do, or not do. So killing people is one thing we should never do.


Protesting at funerals, harrassing people because of their sexual proclivities. In Ireland there is a word for those kinds of people, arseholes.

Question

Rochelle - could these Baptist "members" also be called activists?

Just curious.

Correction

...Baptist "losers" also be called activists?

Re:Correction

Sure, they're activists. But in my book, anyone who has a message of such pure hate is a loser. Not only a loser, but dangerous and an abomination. This is a group that pickets funerals (of, I presume, people who have died of AIDS. I lump these folks with self-proclaimed racial hate groups. I had other names in mind, but kept it mild. I'm wondering if you had a look at their site, Tomeboy. It's beyond ugly. I guess I'm not really sure what you're getting at, except to maybe hint that I'm being judgmental. If that's the case: guilty as charged. Here's more in-depth information on this cult from the Southern Poverty Law Center.

Re:Correction

Rochelle I was careful not to mention the subject at hand. Only your terminology.

You've answered my question.

Thanks

Re:Correction

I admit to still being a bit befuddled about what you're getting at. But, it's happened before.

Re:Correction

As I peek at through my online catalog I notice the term "activism" usually associated with a socially progressive movement. Feminism, civil rights, tenant rights, you get the idea. However, members of conservative causes are rarely given this label.

That's it.

Re:Question for Tomeboy

I'm just trying to understand. Did you think that I was tyring to marginalize this particular group by not calling them activists?

Well, I think it's obvious that by your choice of the word "losers", you were trying to marginalize this group. BTW, I agree with you on that score. Perhaps a better question, "Would, ‘Church Hate Group Activists in my Town’ give too much credence to these people.�?

My point is with our choice of labels when referring to dissidents, malcontents, protestors, etc.. As mentioned before, the term "activist", at lease in my judgment, infers a progressive ideology and is certainly not pejorative.

We have all heard of PETA activists, GreenPeace activists, Vegan activists, blah blah blah. For example CampusActivism.org seems to have hijacked the term for their “progressive students�, though their title isn’t ProgressiveCampusActivism or LiberalCampusActivism.

But how often do we here activists attributed to those who support genetically modified foods in Europe or to Japanese whalers or to, dare I say, activist Jerry Falwell (27 hits in Google compared to 103 for "activist eleanor smeal")

I would also suggest that your choice for using “conservative� and “liberal� may be a bit misleading here with Google. After a few pages, we start to see hits for the progressive conservatives in Canada and other international contexts for this term. I think a better gauge is to use an index with a specific issue. For example, when searching for “pro-life activists� in Periodical Abstracts I find 86 hits compared to 359 when searching “abortion activists�.

Re:Question for Tomeboy

Well, I think it's obvious that by your choice of the word "losers", you were trying to marginalize this group. BTW, I agree with you on that score. Perhaps a better question, "Would, ‘Church Hate Group Activists in my Town’ give too much credence to these people.�?

While technically activists, they are marginal, very marginal, and I suppose it was my intent to make that clear by calling them losers. I can think of any number of groups that I would not think of calling activists--Earth First, anti-abortion groups that torch clinics, or any group that espouses violence as a means for change. "Extremists" seems to be more on-point for such groups. I'd lump Westboro in with them. Maybe Westboro was just not the best group to base this discussion on? Nonetheless, it's been instructive, and I'll be more mindful of language bias in the future.

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