Albuquerque Libraries Ban Sex Offenders

Albuquerque Mayor Martin Chavez is firing another shot in his war with sex offenders. This time he's banning them from city libraries in an effort to keep predators from an easy access to using the Internet. Under the executive order, librarians will do the policing by cross checking library cards with sex offender registries.

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what are we, probation officers?

Holy Civil Liberties, Batman! Or lack thereof. Isn't this a rather one-size-fits-all, collective punishment model? I thought some Sex offender probationers are restricted only in the kinds of sites they visit and activities they do online, not banned from the whole Internet, period. They also already have to keep their distance from the children's section. But aren't violations of probationers ultimately up to the Probation officer & local uniformed law enforcement to deal with?

As a compromise, I wouldn't loose much sleep over Sex offender probationer's internet use logs being turned over to their probation officers for scrutiny on a regular basis, with their privacy rights restored once their probation periods are over but a full-out BAN seems like irrational hysteria to me...

...And convicted offenders who have served their time and in theory paid their debt to society thereby should have all their rights restored, minus the usual restrictions for convicted felons (though I'm not at ease with many those either [loss of voting rights, loss of 2nd Amendment rights, etc], at least not for the non-violent felon ex-con's--i.e. illicit drug users & the like).

Who says all sex offenders

Who says all sex offenders target children?

I agree that this blanket response is irrational and unproductive. How are the sex offenders expected to get jobs, find suitable housing, etc. These days, everything is online. The classifieds in print newspapers are only so helpful.

Sex offenders at the library

It's a statistical fact, first of all, that sex offenders are nearly impossible to rehabilitate. Further, they may "serve their time" for thier offense but their victims never get over what has been done to them, and, serving time doesn't take away their desire to re-offend. If a convicted sex offender is out there looking at porn again, that should tell you something.

Also, I think it's ridiculous to let these sick people use computers at our local public libraries to feed their sick need. We may not be able to stop them, but we sure don't have to allow them to do it on the taxpayers dime. I think the woman who fired her assistant at a library a few weeks back because she reported to the local authorities that she saw someone looking at porn ought to be the one losing her job. I could not believe she thought giving the person a "warning" was sufficient.

Suppose your son or daughter happens to walk past someone like this and sees what he's looking at? Again, yes that could happen anywhere but let's not put our kids at risk in yet another place by letting them be exposed to this in the library.

Karyn

Lunatics

Does anyone actually want sex offenders in the library? All of you bleeding hearts can't possibly think that having sex offenders in a public library is a good thing. Do you want them in your library?

Checking the sex offender list against library card records is pointless. Do you find the perverts in your library have cards. I found just the opposite, those who masturbate in the library without fail used a guest pass to access the computers rather than a library card.

I don't feel sex offenders should be banned from using library services, they should be able to get books by mail (at their own expense if need be, I didn't make them a disgusting criminal, I don't want my taxes paying for anything to which others are not entitled).

Who cares if the sex offenders can use public internet terminals, they are criminal perverts and a drain on society, let them pay for the internet if they want it. If they have trouble finding work, suitable housing, or anything else the probation or parole office can help them.

Ban sex offenders from the library - if it passes Constitutional muster (especially the state Constitution of which I have no knowledge) then that is great. It won't keep them out of the library, don't delude yourselves. However when they get arrested for some crime in the library it will just be one more charge to keep them away from our most vulnerable citizens.

too this guy or girl who ever you are ^^^^^^^^^^

Ok first of all just because a person commits a crime and is convicted of a crime dose not mean that they are guilty of the crime!!! being a sex offender does not make ALL OF THEM a pervert or a predator!!!! i have news for you buddy i was convicted of a sex offense and i never even committed a actual sex offense!!! i was convicted of kidnapping because i wouldn't let my 18 year old girl friend out of the car.. and at the time was I 20 years old but because of our fucked up judicial system that you find so pleasing i have to register for the rest of my life for "kidnapping of a minor 18 years and under IN THE STATE OF NEW MEXICO" I've been polygraphed and passed with flying colors asking if "I'm a pervert." and if "I'm a rapist" and no I'm not on the registration web sit and shouldn't be. yea their are sick fucks out there that need to be locked up! I'm not one of them, yet i have to follow the same rules they do. i have a wife and a kid and i don't do anything illegal, yet i still suffer the same consequences they do when they fuck up. then we have people like you "that know it all." when you really don't. you just know what the media feeds your dumb asses.. so before you go running your big fucking mouth about shit you know nothing about do your fucking homework ass hole!!! we, the ones who are wrongly accused and convicted have fucking rites too!!!!!

I'm glad you register

>>i was convicted of kidnapping because i wouldn't let my 18 year old girl friend out of the car

You then go on to state that you were twenty when you did this. You then talk about the stupid justice system. Why do you think that just because there was only a 2 year age difference between you and your girlfriend that what you did was not serious?

I'm glad you have to register. People that hold people against their will are dangerous. I think people should know when a menace is living around them.

Tense?

Ok first of all just because a person commits a crime and is convicted of a crime dose not mean that they are guilty of the crime!!!

Yes, actually it does, that is what the whole convicted thing means.

[B]eing a sex offender does not make ALL OF THEM a pervert or a predator!!!!
Yes, if you commit a criminal sex offense it makes you a pervert. Look up the word pervert, heck a librarian will help you look it up if you can’t do it yourself.

[I] have news for you buddy i was convicted of a sex offense and i never even committed a actual sex offense!!!
Well your lack of effective counsel is not really my problem. You should perhaps find an good attorney and petition for a new trial.

[I]i was convicted of kidnapping because i wouldn't let my 18 year old girl friend out of the car..
Oh, I see your point, you should have been convicted of false imprisonment. I can see why you are upset.

…and at the time was I 20 years old but because of our fucked up judicial system that you find so pleasing i have to register for the rest of my life for "kidnapping of a minor 18 years and under IN THE STATE OF NEW MEXICO"
That is most unusual. How did the judicial system that I find so pleasing make someone who has reached the age of majority a minor. I agree completely. You should have been convicted of kidnapping an adult, a terrible injustice has occurred.

I've been polygraphed and passed with flying colors asking if "I'm a pervert." and if "I'm a rapist" and no I'm not on the registration web sit and shouldn't be.
Well, I certainly think that if you insist you are not a pervert and not a rapist you should be simply be provided with a ride home from the police station and a hamburger. If only Ted Bundy had told the police he didn’t rape and murder all those people he would not have had that whole execution problem.

yea their are sick fucks out there that need to be locked up! I'm not one of them, yet i have to follow the same rules they do.
Yes, not committing crimes, not raping anyone, not kidnapping anyone, those certainly are terrible consequences for someone who simply did not let his girlfriend out of the car—I’m sure she didn’t mind being kidnapped (well you know holding someone against their will – as you said not letting her out of the car- and moving her as cars are known to do might just be considered kidnapping by every Court in this country. ) It is odd though since kidnapping is not a sex crime yet you insist that you didn’t rape anyone. Perhaps there is more to the story than you are letting on. Does this 18 year old girlfriend have an opinion on this, perhaps she was the one who started all this trouble for you by reporting that kidnapping that was not a kidnapping? I’d slap some sense into her if I were you.

i have a wife and a kid and i don't do anything illegal, yet i still suffer the same consequences they do when they fuck up. then we have people like you "that know it all." when you really don't. you just know what the media feeds your dumb asses.. so before you go running your big fucking mouth about shit you know nothing about do your fucking homework ass hole!!! we, the ones who are wrongly accused and convicted have fucking rites too!!!!!

You seem a bit tense, perhaps you have an anger management problem. If you printed out your post and brought it to whoever manages the sex offenders in your state I am sure they can direct you to appropriate counseling.

In the interim please stay out of the library; you seem a bit of a loose cannon.

Wrong again, mdoneil

Ok first of all just because a person commits a crime and is convicted of a crime dose not mean that they are guilty of the crime!!!

Yes, actually it does, that is what the whole convicted thing means.

"Wrongful conviction". I suggest you check out the Innocence Project. The people who go around getting overturned the criminal convictions against people who are in fact not guilty of the crimes that knee-jerk reactionaries like you got them convicted.

You are mistaking, again, what is essentially an opinion for a fact. Your belief that planet Earth is the center of the universe does not obviate several centuries of astronomical observations to the contrary. The opinion of twelve people who have been led to believe that you committed a crime does not obviate the fact that you did not do it.

(And just so you don't try to whine about it to divert attention from the issue at hand: the above comment about the Earth as center of the universe is metaphorical in nature.)

There is nothing that cannot be found offensive by someone, somewhere.

No, I am correct

Conviction means you have been adjudged guilty.

I never said it means the person convicted actually committed the crime. This is one of the many reasons I oppose the death penalty.

I write with plain meaning (and there is indeed a legal definition of this term as well; you might want to look it up when looking up convicted) because it seems some readers are wont to manipulate and misinterpret what I write to justify their own perverted ideas.

Thank you, I am indeed heliocentric and familiar with The Innocence Project. Post conviction appeals are indeed freeing more persons wrongly convicted, and the availability of post conviction DNA testing - the availability and admissibility about which I addressed a Florida House subcommittee about several years ago - are imperative should we wish to maintain a society based on justice and not solely the rule of law.

However a conviction does result in a finding of guilt (unless of course that finding is specifically withheld by the Court) and can be reversed only by another Court with appropriate jurisdiction.

This is why defendants are found guilty or not guilty. There is no finding of innocence in our Court system. While innocent people are occasionally found guilty of crimes they did not commit, that is the price we pay for our freedoms. I wish there were a better system, but there is not. If you have any ideas how to improve the system I and many others would be most interested in hearing from you.

That said would you like the man who admittedly would not let his girlfriend out of the car; yet who insists he did not kidnap or rape her associating with your daughter or sister?

You may wish to consult Black’s Law Dictionary for definition of the terms instant, as it is an authoritative and respected reference source.

Still wrong, mdoneil

Guilty de jure is not guilty de facto. Judged guilty or not, if you did not commit a crime, you are not guilty of it no matter how many say otherwise. Your stance is specious and constitutes an argumentum ad numerum. A popular concesus of reality that is not supported by fact is wrong. Ask Galileo if you don't believe that.

There is nothing that cannot be found offensive by someone, somewhere.

By the way...

If you will read my post I am opposed to this regulation. Banning sex offenders from the library or checking their cards against the list of registered sex offenders is pointless.

It is a feel good act to make people think they are more secure. It will have no effect other than to waste employee's time and taxpayer money.

I don't care if sex offenders use the library. I do care if anyone commits a sex offense (or any other crime) in the library. I don't care if they are on the sex offender list, or my Christmas card list - no crimes in the library.

Whose a Big Mouth

The scary sex offender hype is coming to an end , the truth is coming out. But I would love to have your opinion, if it was your child they came to arrest and took from your home, incarcerated them, tried them with lack of due process, defenseless from a prejudice judicial system that only forces plea deals and convicts. Then name your child an ADULT and label them a "predator sex offender." Post their name and new title on a sex offender registry with your family's address, nationally for the whole world to know of their youthful indiscretion for society to think of them only as monsters, only worth death and castration. To be retroactively banned from parks, schools, library, their homes, neighborhoods, internet usage, decent employment, forced from your family and totally destroying the entire family unit. FORCE your branded child to be forever, chased, tracked, hunted, unemployed, homeless, incarcerated, harmed and even murdered. You would wonder where the F**k is dyfes, child advocate, Dept.of juvenile justice, juvenile commission, child abuse advocates, legislators, governors, the president, ANY F***ing body that is supposed to protect your rights and ADVOCATE for justice. Hey, They are ALL the ones holding the knife in your child's back and spreading horrific lies about high recidivism and anyone with the title, is a predator preying on the children, while denying any constitutional, civil and human rights. And continue to create extremely strict and erroneous regulation and laws based on a murderous crimes, that your child did and would not commit. Then direct these unfounded rules towards your child and claim these horrendous, life threatening demands are merely unintended consequences and soooo necessary for public safety, offering your vulnerable child NO F**ing way to defend, protect or rehabilitate themselves. Yes, I think it is time for some very f**ing harsh words, a national reform of the sex offender laws and a stop to all governmental CHILD ABUSE!

REFORM SEX OFFENDER LAWS NOW!
A Call to Protect American Society, our Children and our Liberties

http://www.reformsexoffenderlaws.org/statement.php

I'll tell you what, if one

I'll tell you what, if one of my sons had sexually molested and abused a child, I would completely understand that he needed to be locked up, and that is the truth. We have laws set up to protect our kids from pedophiles and sex offenders and no one should be exempt from them.
"Scary sex offender hype"??? Sex crimes are on the rise, wake up. It's scary, but it's not "hype" by any means. The internet and our streets are full of perverts trolling for thier next victim. I feel we have the right to know exactly who these people are, where they are, and how to keep them away from our kids.
You talk about what if someone came and arrested your child for being an offender -- well, what if someone molested your child, would you perhaps see it differently?
Karyn

"we, the ones who are

"we, the ones who are wrongly accused and convicted have fucking rites too!!!!!"

Perverts would have fucking rites, wouldn't they?

Human rights and civil liberties for perverts

Perverts would have fucking rites, wouldn't they?

Flip comment:

We all have the right to fuck ceremoniously or not at our sole discretion and it's nobody's business but ours, so long as we are doing it with a fully consenting partner.

Serious comment:

Not under the ultra-conservative, right wingnut-job ideology. And what far too many closed-minded dolts do not understand or even think about, is that any "right" or "liberty" which is accorded in an discriminatory fashion is not a right or liberty at all, but merely a privilege. A privilege which can and will be withdrawn without notice and on the flimsiest pretext. So if perverts don't have rights and liberties, neither does anyone else.

The thing the ultra-conservative, right wingnut-jobs don't like is that any limit to perversions must be reasonable ones as to time, place, or manner, and that keeps them from summarily and arbitrarily emplacing vague and overbroad "limits" that are subject to manipulation and tortured interpretation.

There is nothing that cannot be found offensive by someone, somewhere.

Possibly?

Could we possibly limit the vulgarity? Only simpletons with limited vocabularies need resort to such banality. I expect more from you Fang.

The suspension of certain rights and liberties is the method by which our civilized society has chosen to deal with its most troublesome miscreants. Do you suppose that a stern talking to will stop child molesters, and axe murderers?

I would much prefer not to have anyone incarcerated as it costs me money. I would much prefer community treatment for most offenders as most crimes are motivated by urges which are amenable to treatment rather than incarceration. Drug crimes, property crimes to obtain drugs, simple property crimes not related to drugs but related to poverty - these offenders would best be served by drug abuse counseling or employment skills training.

Certainly some crimes are so repugnant that the offenders must be removed from society for a time but we must nowise omit counseling. Most of these offenders must reintegrate with a free society and to fail to prepare them is as much a crime as that for which they are imprisoned.

Clear the prisons of minor offenders, I don't want to pay for them. I want them to repay their victims, repay society for the costs of investigating and prosecuting them, and offset the cost of their supervision and counseling by working. It should not be 'don't do the crime if you can't do the time', but don't do the crime if you won't get a job and counseling.

Could we possibly limit the vulgarity?

Not without unreasonably limiting free speech. To quote your own Supreme Court: If you can't say 'fuck', you can't say 'fuck the government'.

There is nothing that cannot be found offensive by someone, somewhere.

Certainly some crimes are so

Certainly some crimes are so repugnant that the offenders must be removed from society for a time. Come on, Are these young boys SOOOO repugnant? READ ON. Prison Time For Viewing Porn?
A Teenage Boy Faces Decades in Prison For Visiting Sexually Explicit Web Sites -- But Was It Really Someone Else?
Police officers stormed into the house with guns pointed. "The first thing I thought was, someone's trying to break in our house," Matthew said. "And then there [were] police officers with guns pointed at me, telling me to get downstairs."

Greg Bandy was handed the search warrant and informed that the central suspect was Matthew. According to the warrant, nine images of young girls in suggestive poses were found on the Bandy family computer. Yahoo monitors chat rooms for suspicious content and reported that child porn was uploaded from the computer at the Bandys' home address.

"When they asked me have you ever looked up or uploaded or downloaded erotic images of minors, I was just taken aback and…I said, 'No,'" says Matthew.

Nevertheless, Matthew did have an embarrassing confession. He had been sneaking peaks at adult erotic photos on the family computer. "I got the Web site from a bunch of friends at school. [It was] just adult pornography…Playboy-like images."

Difficult to admit, but not illegal -- or so it seemed. Still, it didn't look good for Matt, as police confiscated the computer and left the house that December day. A family was shattered.

"We faced 10 years per count, there were nine counts," said Novak. "If Matt was convicted, those sentences would have to be served consecutively. In other words, he would have been sentenced to 90 years in prison. He would have served time until he died."

Another distrought Mom!!!!
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Thu, 09/27/2007 - 7:34pm.

Well,add me to the list,
My 17yr old son Christian is sitting in a Maximum Security Jail, in Bossier City,La. Arrested 8/31/07. We moved here from Ga. in June 07, and spent what little savings we had. And we own no property here, so we can't even make bond. He was charged with 4 counts of pornagraphy involving a juvenile, that were found on our home computer. And his bond is set at $60,000 dollars, As a Mother I feel as though they have taken my son hostage and I can't pay the ransom. I am outraged! that The Media has not Alerted us as Parents about these file-sharing programs and thier names, and to the vast amounts of free pornagraphy and illegal child pornagraphy on these networks, and how they can allow anyone under the age of 18 to subscribe without Parental consent? The media alerts us of lead painted toys, and faulty cribs, so we can take appropriate measures, they have even warned us of the predators in the chat rooms so I could warn him to be careful of who he talked too. The only thing I have heard on the news about file-sharing programs has been about copyright infringement, and I never heard the specific names of these programs. So I could be looking right at it,and not know what is was. Untill this happened, as a Mom I would never have even concieved of googling child porn and file=sharing programs. Not all of us want to be computer geeks. But we don't want to discourage our kids from them. I had an anti-virus program and anti-spyware, but have since learned that they are no match for these programs, furthermore I've learned that the government has known of this for some time, in one of the articles I read they even stated "PARENTS DON'T KNOW, KIDS DON'T HAVE A CLUE". The FBI is so far behind itself, in catching the Real Bad Guys, Who aren't stupid, they disguise themselves, behind trickery and deception. Thats the point, our teenagers are being targeted not only by these sick individuals, who abduct and force children into unspeakable horrors, but now they've got our teens taking consequences, that were intended for them.
And the FBI are being pressured to make convictions, and they too, have found an easy target.
They are teens, and think like teens, they are not all technicaly advanced, their not college educated yet. Their teens, that for the most part want to listen to music and talk to their friends.
And to some of you jerks who have responded to these articles,If you thing for one minute that I don't ask myself, every minute, of each day that passes, what else could I have done to prevent this from happening? If we are not told of these Dangers, How are we suppose to know to take appropriate actions against them.
I have done more research on the p2p programs, and viruses, and hackers, since my son's arrest, and I have learned so much more that I would ever have wanted to know, and I can assure you that this is only the beginning of a huge storm...I printed out a copy of an FBI press release from June 13,07 That stated there is over 1 million potential victims of Botnet Cyber Crime.
As for my son,He is at the mercy of the court, and a Public Defender, and I am left Utterlly Powerless to do anything to help him. This is just Soooo Wrong!!!!!!!!!
Letitia Carter

Fools

Registries
First they went after sex offenders.
then they went after meth users.
then they went after people with dangerous dogs.
then they went after gang members.
then they went after people with gun offenses.
whose next?
Now they are going after civil liberties and i laugh at those folks that said 'its just pedos who cares?' You can sit back and be bullheaded as hell and make it a pedo issue but i warn you that Hilter started off the same exact way.

"The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation." - Adolf Hitler

So sit back and don't give a crap about the issue since you seem to think pedos are the only ones going to be affected (long term) by these laws. Once our society gets used to these types of laws they will multiply and be used to increase the number of people affected by them. Since these laws ignore the severity of the crimes and their misdemeanor or felony status it will be all possible to end up not being able to go to the library ever again for getting a speeding ticket.

Godwin

Nice Godwin and slippery slope argument. New at this Interwebs thing?

Your usual chickenshit bullshit

Nice way to try to derail a debate in which you are out of your depth and unable to compete. You right wingnuts do that with tiresome frequency when an issue or allegation comes up to which you have no counter-argument. If you can't hold your own in the give and take, then perhaps you should find another sandbox to play in.

There is nothing that cannot be found offensive by someone, somewhere.

Hitler?

Invoking Hitler is never a valid argument. The camels nose is always a fallacy and invalid argument.

The need be no counter argument to nonsense, it stands on its own absurdity.

Would it be possible for you to be less vulgar? Just because something may be found offensive, as you note, is sufficient cause to force said offense upon us.

You're whining and sniveling at correctly drawn parallels

He drew a perfectly valid parallel between the American right-wing mind set and a historic mind set. You just don't like the fact that the historic mind set alluded to was such a montrous one, because the American right-wing mind set matches it so closely.

For that matter, it is part and parcel of the right-wing that it is pathologically incapable of learning the lessons of history and blindly and stupidly repeating them.

And the parable of the camel's nose is an allusion to slippery-slope movements. I fail to see any relevance between that and the issues under discussion.

There is nothing that cannot be found offensive by someone, somewhere.

"since kidnapping is not a sex crime yet "

like i said before, then we have people like you "that know it all." when you really don't. you just know what the media feeds you. you need to go look at the law reading for kidnapping of a minor 18 years and under. no their was no rape or sexual contact of any kind so no, i'm not a pervert! AND YES IT IS A LAW AND HAS BEEN FOR 5 YEARS NOW. i do have a family and i do want to keep them protected from the actual rapists and child molesters just like everyone else. the way the judicial system has been handling people lately reminds me of a modern day witch hunt they try to find people to convict because the more convictions the more money the state gets paid why do you think the jails are so over populated with people all we are is money to our government getting sex offender's out of the library's is not going to do anything at all their are still a million places for them to go, and even if they tell them to stay out don't mean that they will.. me i don't go to the library, so i don't even care. i work and go home to my family. and yes I'm actually talking to the head of the civil liberties union and they say i have a case. so im fine i just don't like the label that society puts on all sex offenders we are NOT ALL THE SAME. and we do have different cases. only 5 of use in this state are not actual sex offenders that did not commit an offense and I'm one of them. and yes it upsets me to hear so many close minded people out there that can talk allot about something they know nothing about just what they have heard.
and to :"I'm glad you register" I'm sorry you feel that way but once again you to know nothing about what you are talking about so shut your uneducated mouth. i picked my ex up from work just like i did every day and we got into an argument i never kept her or made her get in the car in fact i pulled over on the side of the road an made her get out of my car for pulling my steering weal when she told me to pull over . she walked back up to her house and her father called the police because she was gone for so long she told them we were fighting and i told her that i wouldn't let her out of the car till we resolved our problem.. they asked if she asked for me to stop the car and she said yes in the state of new Mexico you only have to travel 5 feet for it to be considered kidnapping. so there we go and here i am talking to all you UNEDUCATED people on the subject. and another thing i laugh at how stupid you are (I'm glad you register. ) because like i said before im not on the DPS web site for sex offenders YOU CANT FIND ME.LOL dps is the only one who knows who or were i am. and im not a predator so i don't really care WTF all you UNEDUCATED people think about me. WHY DON'T YOU ALL DO YOURSELVES A FAVOR AND GO EDUCATE YOURSELVES ABOUT SEX OFFENDERS AND THE LAWS BECAUSE LIKE (FOOLS) SAID WE WILL ALL BE FUCKED BY THE GOVERNMENT INTO ONE CATEGORY ITS JUST A MATTER OF TIME.

some resources

like i said before, then we have people like you "that know it all." when you really don't. you just know what the media feeds you. you need to go look at the law reading for kidnapping of a minor 18 years and under. no their was no rape or sexual contact of any kind so no, i'm not a pervert! AND YES IT IS A LAW AND HAS BEEN FOR 5 YEARS NOW.

I did look at the New Mexico Statues before my previous post. I see no law specific to kidnapping a minor. Kidnapping is addressed in Chapter 30 Article 4 as is False Imprisonment. Crimes against Children and Dependents are covered in Article 6, and Sexual Exploitation of Children in Article 6A. My cursory examination of the New Mexico Statutes shows no crime as you describe – the kidnapping of a minor.

You had noted that the victim was 18, and a minor. One cannot be both a minor and have reached the age of majority.

i do have a family and i do want to keep them protected from the actual rapists and child molesters just like everyone else. the way the judicial system has been handling people lately reminds me of a modern day witch hunt they try to find people to convict because the more convictions the more money the state gets paid why do you think the jails are so over populated with people all we are is money to our government getting sex offender's out of the library's is not going to do anything at all their are still a million places for them to go, and even if they tell them to stay out don't mean that they will..

All parents should wish to keep their families safe, and to your credit you are in that respect a fine father and husband. I am perplexed by your statement that the state gets more money per conviction. That is simply untrue. There is no bottomless pot of money that magically replenishes itself when someone is convicted. The burden of incarcerating and supervising those convicted falls upon the taxpayer.

me i don't go to the library, so i don't even care. i work and go home to my family. and yes I'm actually talking to the head of the civil liberties union and they say i have a case. so im fine i just don't like the label that society puts on all sex offenders we are NOT ALL THE SAME. and we do have different cases. only 5 of use in this state are not actual sex offenders that did not commit an offense and I'm one of them. and yes it upsets me to hear so many close minded people out there that can talk allot about something they know nothing about just what they have heard.

Contrary to what you may believe I am not without sympathy to your plight. There are indeed too many errors in the law that negatively impact a small minority of us. I am certain it must be quite distressing, but even more so because those of us who are not directly affected generally ignore the plight of those who are wronged by a legislative error.

and to :"I'm glad you register" I'm sorry you feel that way but once again you to know nothing about what you are talking about so shut your uneducated mouth. i picked my ex up from work just like i did every day and we got into an argument i never kept her or made her get in the car in fact i pulled over on the side of the road an made her get out of my car for pulling my steering weal when she told me to pull over . she walked back up to her house and her father called the police because she was gone for so long she told them we were fighting and i told her that i wouldn't let her out of the car till we resolved our problem.. they asked if she asked for me to stop the car and she said yes in the state of new Mexico you only have to travel 5 feet for it to be considered kidnapping. so there we go and here i am talking to all you UNEDUCATED people on the subject.
Your definition of kidnapping is indeed correct.

and another thing i laugh at how stupid you are (I'm glad you register. ) because like i said before im not on the DPS web site for sex offenders YOU CANT FIND ME.LOL dps is the only one who knows who or were i am. and im not a predator so i don't really care WTF all you UNEDUCATED people think about me. WHY DON'T YOU ALL DO YOURSELVES A FAVOR AND GO EDUCATE YOURSELVES ABOUT SEX OFFENDERS AND THE LAWS BECAUSE LIKE (FOOLS) SAID WE WILL ALL BE FUCKED BY THE GOVERNMENT INTO ONE CATEGORY ITS JUST A MATTER OF TIME.

From your posts it seems that you have been branded a sex offender because of some faulty construction of the law by our wise legislators. I certainly don’t wish to see anyone on the sex offender registry who did not truly commit the crime.

I hope you are able to avail yourself of post conviction relief. It is far too complex to debate on this forum. You must find a good lawyer- counsel familiar with post conviction relief. You probably plead out rather than having a trial which may make it a bit more difficult, but not impossible to obtain the relief you seek.

I certainly hope that rather than complaining about the system that convicted you that you are able to use that same system to right the wrong that you describe. While our justice system is superior to all others in the world it is not perfect.

If you need further assistance finding a lawyer to represent you your local bar association may offer referrals, other places to check are law schools in your state and law libraries. There are reference works, including martindale.com that provide information about lawyers that are able to take on your type of work.

I do not practice law in New Mexico and this is not legal advice.

Mull over this.

I don't know the man his circumstances, his story, or anything else about him so I will not base judgement on him simply for the reason he has been labeled a "sex offender".
96.5% of sex offenders are family members or friends to the victim, 97% are male, and only 3.5% of convicted sex offenders reoffend... Therefore the odds are YOU are more of a threat to commit a sex offense than a "sex offender".
How can we prosecute people for life knowing how easy it is to be charged and convicted of a sex offense? Do you realize how many death row inmates and sex offenders have been found innocent due to D.N.A. every year? They convict sex offenders every day with merely ones word against anothers, today, a simple lie can wreck your life! How do V Chips, satellites, surveillance, and treating us like criminals stop our children from having a sexual encounter, protect our credit, or save us from terrorists?
I have lost confidence in our system and I will not judge a man because of the ugly pictures they paint of sex offenders by means of using horrible crimes other men committed in the past. Common sense should tell us you can’t judge a person with something someone else has done, it doesn’t even make sense.

Devil may care.

I was accused of having a sexual relationship with my girlfriends 13y/o sister. We met with Human Services and individually told them the truth that these allegations were a lie and that they never happened.
Over a year after I left my girlfriend, her sister then 15 y/o and living with my ex-wife/mother to my son, started saying something entirely different. She then said, “we did have consensual sex, once when she was 12y/o and frequently when she was 13y/o”. I was notified, bodily inspected, and arrested.
I couldn't afford an attorney so they gave me a public defender. The public defender looked at her picture and told me, "she was a pretty girl, big breasts, the jury will believe her so you should take a plea."
I said, "But I'm innocent, how can they put me away by just saying this happened?"
He then said, "It's election time they don't need proof, if the jury don't get you the judge will." He told me that he didn’t even believe me.
I sat in jail for 21/2 months. My original charges were one count Rape and two counts Corruption of a Minor.
She gave them three dates. Two of the dates I can remember because one was on her birthday. The other was because of where she said we were. Both of these two dates was when we were with her father, but he passed away so I couldn’t call him as a witness.
The other, I don’t know where I was or what I was doing. My Public Defender said that was the death blow. He said, “If they believe it happened once, they would believe the rest happened as well.” The Human Services Department at the time told me, “If I accepted the plea bargain they would return my son to me following my release”.
I plead no contest to two counts of Corruption of a Minor, and they labeled me a predator. At the time, I had no clue what that meant. They wouldn't even let me out unless I cooperated and declared guilt of this crime. They told me if I declared my innocents I would be charged with "discrediting the victim". After watching my family go through the ridiculing, after being beat down when I was locked up, after the embarrassment, after fighting in court for my child for years to find us homeless because of a new daycare center, jobless, after paying $10,000 in fines, and after my rights and dignity being stripped away, I know now what that meant. I've been cursed. Seeing what my son has inherited from this, I sometimes now wonder if I am even healthy to him as a parent, and if I should have let him go for his futures sake.
To make my present circumstances worse my “victim” not only sticks to her story, but is now a self proclaimed Christian who married into money when she turned 18.
Now, The Walsh law came in effect. They changed my charge all together to keep me the worst of the worst. I don't understand the paperwork they gave me, I can't afford a lawyer, and they won't give me one to fight or fix any of it.
I know you probably don't believe my innocents no one ever does. I am usually guilty from the moment I say I was accused. I am merely asking if you would maybe offer me some advice.

"I am merely asking if you

"I am merely asking if you would maybe offer me some advice."

Okay, purely looking at this like a regular reference question, I would recommend looking for a support group for "wrongly accused" people. There seem to be many websites out there where you can connect with people, share your story, etc.

If you have ongoing legal and financial issues, I would look for free services/advice provided by your county, state, or independent agencies in your area.

re:Devil may care.

dude........ you are so full of shit!!!!!! your a fucking child molester so stop your bitching!!! you should feel lucky that you only got the time you got. i did three years in prison and had to hear the same bullshit story's from chomo's like you, and you know what? it still didn't stop us from fucking them up!!! dude if i was that little girls father i would have committed a crime just so i could go into your county and kick your skull in!! bet i wouldn't care if i picked up a murder charge!!! if i was her husband i would fuck you up now !! and how would you know what she is doing now you fucking stalker!! you know what you are?? you're a fucking piece of shit that society needs to wipe there ass of. i hate mother fuckers like you!!! you feel you had some kind of injustice you little crybaby bitch!!! how do you think that little 12 year old girl felt??!! you need to get raped you fucking punk!!! you want advise go get a fucking polygraph with your lieing ass like you should have had your lawyer order if you were innocent in the first place you fucking liar and if your lieing ass passes then contact the civil liberty's union you crybaby fuck!!!

PS.we all know your lieing so you can shut up now.

award winning

I've been reading and posting here for about three years now and I can safely say, at this point, that this is the worst thread I have ever seen in my entire life. Without exception or qualification.

If the Internet could vomit, that would be this thread.

Right now Tim Berners-Lee is crying into his expensive hankie that his glorious invention is being used to publish this thread.

Everyone here should stop, turn off the computer, back away, apologize quietly to the Internet gods and then be on their way.

Go on. Show's over.

re: award winning

LMAO !!!!!maybe chuck should stick to his full time hobby of masturbation instead of posting pointless stupid comments on these pages... chuck is just hurt that anyone wont show him any attention so he wonders onto pages like this one to talk trash in hopes of attention ....hey chuck if your going to talk shit better gather your thoughts and put them into something worth reading because as i see it rite now your just one step above a retarded loser with no life ....lol 3 years!!!! loser!

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